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  scholar and 1914

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  hello, scholar

  can you name a single thing of significance that the watchtower society or charles russell taught about 1914 prior to 1914 that was accurate?

  marvin shilmer

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  City Fan

  There's an easy way of proving to a JW that Jerusalem fell in 586/587 and not 607 - by using the bible.

  Since the Watchtower society accepts that Babylon fell in 539 BC, it also has to accept the regnal years of the Persian kings after this date. Darius I ruled from 521 BC - 486 BC. Simply show a JW in the bible Zechariah chapter 7, which is set in the fourth year of Darius, or 518/517 BC. It says in verse 5 "Say to all the people of the land and the priests, When you fasted and mourned in the fifth month and in the seventh, for these seventy years, was it for me that you fasted?"

  The fasting was to commemorate the destruction of the temple in 587/586 BC, the seventieth year from that date being 518/517 BC.

  CF.
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  Doctrine or Scripture?

  by kibizzle in

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  my h and i are generally good at avoiding the subject, but the other day we got into a "debate" about the "truth".

  anyway, he gave a few reasons why he believes the jws have the "truth" such as the scripture that says "it is better to not have known the truth at all than have known the truth and walked away".

  okay, at the time i was too upset to think rationally and say, "okay, which scripture would that be?

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  City Fan

  kibizzle,

  I've heard of the saying 'better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all', but I can't say I've heard of that scripture. I'm sure the JW version would have to be "It is better to not have known the present truth at all than have known the present truth and walked away".
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  TV Presenter Caron Keating has died

  by Simon in

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  she was a presenter of kids tv (blue peter) and some daytime programmes.. .

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3625457.stm.

  pictures:.

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  City Fan

  Very young, very sad!
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  The Ugly Truth about Jesus 2nd Presence

  by Amazing1914 in

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  as jws we learned the utmost central watchtower doctrine that jesus returned "invisibly" in 1914 (well it was 1874, but then j. f. rutherford decided jesus really, really, really returned at a later date ... this is also known to jws as "jesus second presence" (greek: parousia = english: presence):.

  ref.

  related new thread at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/70098/1.ashx .

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  City Fan

  Leolaia,

  If someone wanted to create a fictitious poster with the sole intention of generating vast amounts of evidence against the Watchtower society, then a poster like scholar would be just about perfect. mmmmm.
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  Dishonest WTS version of "Presence"

  by Amazing1914 in

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  dishonest wts version of ?presence?

  it is found in strong?s ref.

  rather, matthew used ?parousia?

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  City Fan

  Amazing,

  Unfortunately with this post you've gone head to head with one of this board's true intellectual heavyweights. Scholar is not only a MA BA Hons in Religious studies, but he also is a 'Hons Research Scholar' of Religious and Philosophical studies at Deakin University. I hope you're prepared for the lengthy factual arguments that he will throw at you.

  CF.

  (Please note: sarcasm in the above post was fully intended)
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  The Bible (2 scriptures in particular) and Literary Criticism

  by CeriseRose in

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  okay i'm taking my first university level course (english lit) since leaving school almost 20 years ago.

  i have had no exposure to the bible other than my own reading of revelation which scared the bejeebus out of me, and learning through the wts (obviously a skewed angle).

  when i started this course, i was still going to meetings and a "jw.

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  A good book to read on this subject is 'Who wrote the Bible?' by Richard Friedman. It explains many of the doublets contained in bible.
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  Astronomy: Three Dates: A Young Witness

  by Duncan in

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  so, taking those title elements in reverse order: the young witness is me ?

  this story goes back to the early sixties.

  the three dates are: february 1986, august 11th 1999, and june 8th 2004. it's the fact that the last of those dates is , after all these years, finally nearly here that made me think of writing this post.

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  I enjoyed reading that Duncan, thanks.

  It's amazing how ignorant most JW's are when it comes to science, astronomy, nature etc. The next big date on my calendar is 29 March 2006. I hope to be in Cyprus for that total eclipse or rather in a boat between Cyprus and Turkey, in the path of totality.

  CF.
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  Another JW Questions 1914 At The Meeting!!!

  by minimus in

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  my mother told me that a regular pioneer in his 60's from a nearby hall questioned how we could be sure 1914 was the date christ was enthroned as king of the kingdom.

  he questioned the brother conducting the meeting for field service.

  it didn't go well......he left that hall and is reported missing in action!

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  City Fan

  'Hold on a second while I get out my calculator and accompaning diagram'

  Very funny Chevy, I liked that.
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  Is the author a Witness: Yes

  by Quotes in

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  2. beliefs

  check out http://members.shaw.ca/stanm/books/theobooks.htm.

  theocratic library.

  these are my recommendations for books that we can add to our own personal theocratic libraries.

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  Leolaia,

  So has anyone here read Rolf Furuli's new book on chronology,

  I was given this book by a 'brother' and started it but then got sidetracked as I'm trying to compile all the secular data myself on 587/586 for this same brother. Hopefully by the time I've done this I'll be in a much better position to review Furuli's book.

  From what I've read so far more than half the book has arguments for a 51 year rule for Artaxerxes I, 11 years of which was a co-rule with Xerxes, and therefore his 20th year was 455 BC not 445 BC. His chronological table at the end of the book does not go back beyond 539BC.

  The first 90 pages are an attempt to refute the 587/586 dating for Jerusalem's destruction. He spends a long time on Jeremiah 25:11 saying it should be translated "and they will serve these nations together with the King of Babylon seventy years". Maybe a linguist who has read the book may be able to shed more light on this.

  I did start to get annoyed with the book as I read it, as it had some typical Watchtower style arguments in it. He dismisses Berossus as unreliable as the early lengths of reign in his king list are thousands of years in length, and his work contained fictitious material. As Berossus translated these legends from books kept at Babylon, and would have used reliable sources such as the Babylonian Chronicles for later neo-Babylonian history, I just can't see the reason to so easily dismiss his record.

  The book is also published by 'R. Fufuli A/S'. It would be good to see this work published by an independent publisher and peer reviewed.

  CF.
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  Chelsea made it!!!

  by English Patient in

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  wow

  what a night for football fans!

  real madrid beaten by monaco !

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  City Fan

  Englishman,

  Funny AND Scary!!

  The consensus between me and my mates is that Leeds, Wolves and Leicester will be relegated. What do you think?

  Patient - Of course I meant 'The Premiership' was crap, but my last post was written after watching the footie with a drink or two!

  CF.